"Speaking in the Third Person Makes You Wiser" - Illeism Pride Day

Happy Jack hereby declares July 8th to be: World Wide Illeism Pride Day.

Illeism is the act of referring to oneself in the third person instead of first person.


A few years back Happy Jack was banned from a site for using this style of rhetoric - it was described as "smug" and "pompous". Once again, Happy Jack's use of this ancient style has been questioned on a blog. This time, the blog owner described it as "odd" and "confusing".  So what is wrong with illeists? Many people who hear someone engaging in it often perceive the individual as an "oddball". Are we smug, annoying people? Are we psychologically disordered egoists or narcissists? Others suggest there is a link between illeism and asperger’s syndrome. Although such reactions are understandable as folk are not accustomed to people referring to themselves using their own name, is it reasonable? From Wiki:

Psychological studies show that thinking and speaking of oneself in the third person increases wisdom and has a positive effect on one's mental state because an individual who does so is more intellectually humble, more capable of empathy and understanding the perspectives of others, and is able to distance emotionally from one's own problems.
Accordingly, in certain Eastern religions, like Hinduism, illeism is sometimes seen as a sign of enlightenment, since through it, an individual detaches their eternal self (atman) from their bodily form; in particular, Jnana yoga encourages its practitioners to refer to themselves in the third the third person.
There is now a growing body of research on illeism:

Self-Talk as a Regulatory Mechanism: How You Do It Matters

Self-Distancing: Theory, Research, and Current Directions


This all suggests that using this method promotes self-distancing; enhances people’s ability to regulate their thoughts, feelings, and behaviour under social stress; and leads people to appraise social-anxiety-provoking events in less threatening ways.

According to the researchers, non-first-person thinking and self-talk is a way to distance oneself that improves perspective and enables thinking more objectively.

The big take-away is that the linguistic shift from using “I” to using one’s name, or other non-first-person pronouns, has positive effects. It can bring long-term benefits to thinking and emotional regulation. People using it tend to become humbler, readier to consider other perspectives, have improved perspective and greater empathy.

To the modern ear, illeism does sound a little silly or pompous. Yet this research suggests it brings real cognitive and emotional benefits.

So there!

All responses to be submitted in third person only.
Give it a try!

Comments

  1. I have never met anybody face to face who does that. My wife had, though. When she was a kid a friend of her dad’s who visited their house from time to time apparently always spoke like that. The kids laughed at him behind his back for what they saw as swollen-headed pomposity.

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    1. HJ wouldn't speak this way face to face but the research suggests it's a useful way to think through issues.

      (Remember to use third person only in comments on this thread)

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  2. I've often suspected that this was the real reason Julius Caesar was assassinated.

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    1. Comments in third person only, please!

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    2. Bell is now convinced that this was the real reason Julius Caesar was assassinated.

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  3. In Japanese, it's fairly common for young girls to refer to themselves by their own name rather than use first person pronouns. It's seen as being girly and cute. Perhaps Jack is just feeling cute? 🥰

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    1. HJ is most certainly not feeling "cute"!

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    2. Gadjo wonders whether young Japanese girls shouldn't concentrate on being themselves (using the first person pronoun) instead of seeking to appear girly and cute (but then he can never see the cartoon images that country produces without shuddering...)

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    3. Japanese has different speech conventions for males and females (as it still understands, at least for now, that there are two different sexes). There's also nothing wrong with young girls wanting to be girly.

      Lain finds it difficult to get incensed about cartoon images when she lives in a country obsessed with letting drag queens twerk in front of primary school children and punishing possession of extreme child abuse images with community service orders and suspended sentences.

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    4. And it one's favourite tu quoque fallacy right on cue!

      Gadjo is reasonably happy that he lives in neither of the countries discussed here, for these reasons.

      Gadjo guesses that it depends on why girls would want to be "seen as being girly and cute" - if it's to be more themselves, then fair enough.

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    5. Don't you live in Romania? The same Romania where human rights activists continue to allege that police dissuade victims of sexual abuse from pressing charges (or outright refuse to register them), where courts rarely prosecute domestic violence and where the US State Dept. notes 'cases of cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment by the government; widespread official corruption; lack of investigation and accountability for violence against women and girls; and crimes of violence targeting institutionalized persons with disabilities and members of ethnic minority groups'? But hey, no dodgy cartoons!

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    6. The Neanderthal remembers having read that there is a Japanese expression meaning “a bad teacher or teachers from whom one learns by not copying their bad example”. Can your tell me what it is, or if maybe it is someone making it up?

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    7. @ Gadjo and Lain
      HJ asks - respectfully - why does he sense tension between Lain and Gadjo? He missED where this originated.

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  4. Prof Generaliter8 July 2023 at 17:09

    The Prof believes that banning some one from a site simply because of talking in the third person, makes them out to be boring, controlling tits.

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    1. Agreed, but tits (the feathered kind, of course) can be useful ...

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    2. Prof Generaliter8 July 2023 at 18:21

      Prof did at the time follow your argument with the site owner, prof believes it was simply an excuse.

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    3. Lain wonders which blog owner thought Jack odd and confusing. She finds this very hard to believe*.


      *this statement may or may not be true.

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    4. Prof Generaliter8 July 2023 at 22:51

      I refuse to comment

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    5. It was Ian Paul but he was very kind and well mannered about it - unlike some who comment here.

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    6. Gadjo wonders who it was here who was not kind and well mannered about Jack's preferred way of referring to himself (though he always found it odd, and, if he is honest, evasive) and hopes it wasn't him (he can't remember doing do but is willing to be corrected).

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    7. Not you Gadjo.

      She knows who she is!

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    8. @ Jack - 'she'? Must be Cressida up to no good again.

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    9. Cressie is a very respectful friend of Jack's.

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  5. These days, there are those annoying Hоmо sapiens who wear signs saying “My pronoun is ‘they’”. There is a Neanderthal version, but that will have to wait until tomorrow.

    Dies illa, dies Lunae,
    Semper venit opportune,
    Rogo vos et quaero id:
    Quid est quod? et Quod est quid?

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  6. Little Hobb would never refer to himself in the third person naturally. It might suggest some uncertainty, for which he wished to distance himself from his words even as he is writing them. That may show a greater wisdom, you could argue, but Little Hobb has always sought to persuade others more convincingly that he persuades himself.

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  7. Right Angle thought this would be easy, but it proved more difficult than expected -- fortunately "illeism" will be restricted to this thread only! Anyway, thanks for a new word learnt.

    Btw, if anyone has money with the Yorkshire Building Society and is looking for a better place to put it, a poster on another site has recommended the Kingdom Bank:

    https://www.kingdom.bank/

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  8. Being a bit of an amateur linguist, Gadjo finds this subject fascinating. He's still not entirely sure, however, if he approves of the practice... one of our closest friends does it all the time and as she has the same name as Gadjo's wife it can cause confusions :-)

    But a brief look at Wikipedia reveals that proponents range from Noel Edmonds right up to The Buddha and Jesus Christ (John 17:3) via several US politicians and Marilyn Monroe.

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    1. Illeism is used several times by Jesus and much more frequently by God in the Old Testament.

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  9. Hearing the Psalms read by David Suchet has an effect more powerful than listening to one’s own (for want of a 3rd personal reflexive pronoun) soundless reading voice.

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  10. And God said, "let there be light" We thinks God is an illeismist.

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