The Rioters – Far Right?

Apologies for the delay in posting ....

So, the "riots" have settled for now. What do we make of them and those who took part? Is it too simplistic to label them all "Far Right"? 

A strange metamorphosis has happened over the last few weeks. On the one hand, Tommy Robinson, the Right-wing activist, has shapeshifted into a Left-leaning analyst of political protest. On the other, those who formerly occupied that role have suddenly embraced the Right-coded rhetoric of moral disgust and zero-tolerance policing. 

Robinson has suggested that the riots are an all but inevitable response to white working-class grievances that have been ignored by the elites in the media and government.

Progressives, on the other hand,  who once expressed support for those who participated in the George Floyd protests of 2020 have adopted a decidedly harsher line on the current anti-immigration protests. Back in June 2020, for example, the former head of British counter-terrorism policing, Neil Basu, encouraged his colleagues to show empathy towards BLM protesters and their “legitimate anger”. “We need to listen to our communities, and our people, and focus on what we in the UK can do better,” he counselled in a conciliatory tone.

The ironies here are obvious. The Left-sounding apologia of the Right, as expressed by Tommy Robinson in the following post on X: “When British people are ignored and labelled ‘far-Right’, when children’s safety isn’t a priority, and when fighting age men from foreign lands come here to take the piss, something has to happen. This is on the British government, they own this problem, because they created it.”

This is not a fringe view. Matthew Goodwin, for example, wrote in a recent piece on the riots: “What did you expect? Seriously? What do you expect ordinary British people to do given the deeply alarming things that are now unfolding around them, in their country, on a daily basis?” Among those things, he singled out the mass rioting in minority communities in Harehills, the stabbing of a British Army Officer by a member of a minority community, and a Kurdish migrant who pushed a man onto the tracks at a London Underground station. 

Consider the progressive narrative of the riots. This is typically clobbered up in the garbs of an undergraduate-level media sociology that holds that the riots are being fuelled by a combination of misinformation and Right-wing populist demagoguery. 

This article in Unherd impressed me by its analysis and detail of those who participated. 

Since the first spark was lit in Southport, condemnation of the rioters has largely centred on their identity as “far-Rightthugs”. Indeed, some experts, including the former head of British counter-terrorism policing, have gone as far as to call the rioters terrorists. The headlines wrote themselves. For an outraged-fuelled media, Christmas had come early.

Yet dig a little deeper and things become a tad more nuanced. For all the caustic characterisations thrown the rioters’ way, their motives were far more complex and varied.

Thus far, police have made more than 1,000arrests connected to the riots. More than 40 people have already been sentenced and that number is likely to rise markedly in the coming weeks. Already, however, what is striking about this group is their heterogeneity. Among the not so usual suspects: a 43-year-oldwoman who pushed a wheelie bin at police; a 34-year-old homeless mother-of-five who contrived to do the same, but instead ended up face-planting at the feet of her intended target; a 25-year-old homeless man; an 18-year-old with ADHD, a 15-year-old girl and a 15-year-oldboy; a bingo-playing gay couple; and a 69-year-old retired welder.

The nature and seriousness of the violence of the rioters seems to vary greatly too, ranging from vandalismon cars to punching a police officer in the face. While the worst of the violence was very grave indeed — a library was torched and sacked in Liverpool, and there were attempts to set fire to hotels housing asylum seekers — some was more ridiculous than properly lethal: one teenager, aged 19, lobbed an egg at the police while chanting in support of Tommy Robinson.

Yet while there doesn’t seem to be a single profile of a rioter, three profiles have emerged — profiles that, ultimately, we need to distinguish if we’re to understand why these riots took place. Based on trial information and extensive online footage of the riots, they areCombatants, Geezers and Scallies, and Losers.

Combatants

The first group — Combatants — refers to the kind of rioter that many have in mind when invoking the image of the far-Right thug: namely, inveterate racists alongside self-proclaimed patriots motivated by fears about white replacement and hostility to the British state and police for their perceived collusion in this. Combatants are almost exclusively men who see themselves as defenders not only of English culture, but as the protectors of English women and girls — from, in their eyes, the rapacious sexual desires of non-white, and especially Muslim, immigrant men.

Despite this relatively strict categorisation, what remains unclear is how many Combatants were involved in the riots, how much of the violence they were responsible for, and whether that violence had been planned in advance. Nor do we know whether they were members or affiliates of organised far-Right groups or looser networks of ex-EDL activists and hooligans, like 28-year-old Liam Ryan who assaulted a black man during unrest in Manchester city centre and was already subject to a football banning order.

Geezers and Scallies 

The second group — Geezers and Scallies — refers to older and younger men respectively with criminal backgrounds whose participation in the riots was motivated not by any considered ideological grievances, but an abiding interest in manufacturing mayhem and the drama of violent contention. Historically, riots have always attracted this kind of dissolute stress-seeker, because they present ripe opportunities for a tremendous tear-up, including hand-to-hand combat with reviled authorities and the ritualised looting of goods that are later invariably discarded or destroyed.

Unlike the violence of Combatants, there is no instrumental logic to the violence of Geezers and Scallies: it is done and enjoyed for its own sake, because it’s thrilling and existentially satisfying. At the same time, this doesn’t mean that the violence is senseless; indeed, during much of the past fortnight’s disorder, it’s hard to miss the blatant defiance, spite and mockery on show towards the police. One rioter, for example, prior to having a brick thrown at his groin, danced effeminately in front of riot police, an act of mockery that was captured in camera-phone footage that swiftly went viral.

“Unlike the violence of Combatants, there is no instrumental logic to the violence of Geezers and Scallies.”

Losers

The final group — Losers — refers to that type of rioter, both male and female, whose participation in the riots was spontaneous and situational. Many of these accidental rioters were drunk when they entered the fray, either because they’re alcoholics or had been out on a bender or both; one 30-year-old rioter who hurled metal sheeting at police in Hartlepool had reportedly drank 30 cans of larger and had no memory of his involvement in the disorder. For some, it was the first time they had been in serious trouble with the police before, unlike the other two categories of rioters, many of whom have extensive rap-sheets.

It isn’t fully clear why the roughly dozen Losers sentenced so far participated in the violence, and none can coherently explain it, other than that something in the spectacle of violence beckoned them to enter it and join in the communal revelry of semi-authorised transgression. This is something most now deeply regret and not a few have sought to distance themselves from the ideological convictions of the Combatants they were rioting alongside. For example, Kieron Gatenby, whose sentence of 16 months in prison for lobbing an egg at police in Hartlepool seems especially harsh, did not harbour any racist views, according to a probation report. “He says he is disgusted at being involved with people who were chanting racist slurs,” Gatenby’s solicitor told Teesside Crown Court at his sentencing hearing. Similarly, it transpired at the hearing of Stacey Vint that her involvement in the riots in Middlesbrough was animated more by alcohol than ideology.

Conclusions

Of course, the overall picture may yet change. But it does seem to suggest that the narrative that the riots were wholly the handiwork of far-Right thugs is oversimplistic. Many of the rioters didn’t see themselves as part of some political resistance; they were bored and some were angry.

The other salutary effect of looking at the profiles of the rioters is that it humanises them: in those pallid and lived-in faces in the police mugshots, we see a cross section of English working-class people from mostly northern towns. We read reports of teenageboys and girls who were involved in the disturbances and perhaps wonder about their turbulent lives and “lived experience” of white privilege. We read about someone like Stacey Vint, who is homeless because she fled an abusive relationship, and perhaps feel a stab of sympathy for her — or at least some sense of injustice that she was given such a punitive sentence (20months in prison).

By contrast, you don’t find much humane empathy towards the rioters on social media or in the liberal press, but instead contempt and loathing. This expresses itself in different ways, one of which is a blatantly classist revulsion that sees the rioters as an odious and atavistic skidmark on multicultural society. The other is a kind of elite disdain that hides its moral revulsion under the cover of alarmist concern over the “radicalisation” of white working-class people; here, ordinary aspects of white working-class culture such as piss-taking are interpreted as signs of extremism in precisely the same way that ordinary aspects of conservative Islam were once red-flagged by Right-leaning terrorism experts like SebastianGorka.

None of this is to say that we should be sentimental or lenient towards the rioters. But it is imperative that we avoid painting them all with the same brush — and that means doing the more painstaking work of looking closely at their profiles and motives. Those who do otherwise — whether they are the Prime Minister, a think-tanker or a grifter angling for the Government’s attention — can call the rioters far-Right thugs or even terrorists if they like. But they shouldn’t kid themselves that they’re doing anything other than playing the grubby game of politics, much less providing any understanding of why the riots unfolded, and how they could unfold again.

Final comments from Happy Jack

It is important that we understand what motivated the rioters and take them seriously. Many protesters and their supporters have been clear about what they are. They believe that there is a system of two-tier policing in this country that favours minorities over whites; they believe that the mainstream media is biased in its reporting of crime and disorder; and they believe that privileged elites in government hate them and their culture, while going out of their way to appease Muslims and other non-whites.

Keir Starmer was right to unequivocally condemn the rioters. But this should not come at the expense of addressing these concerns. It’s undeniable that we need an urgent and open conversation in this country about uncontrolled migration, the involvement of asylum seekers in violent crime, and how this impacts citizens with already limited opportunities and resources. 

At the same time, we also need to recognise the vast causal chasm between deeply or even rightly held grievances and actual violence, property destruction and looting. Most aggrieved people who protest do not carry out acts of violence, while many of those who do commit violence do so for reasons that are not always related to rational grievances. Any explanation that elides or fudges that chasm is unlikely to tell us much about how and why riots happen — and, as we have seen, may even end up excusing those who are responsible for the ensuing carnage.

Comments

  1. You can define what constitutes far left relatively easily as there is a cohesive set of beliefs to do with the role of the state and property and the right of the state to steal it and the relatively few safeguards and individual has against an over powerful state.
    The right is much harder to define as it does not process the same coherent set of beliefs. Indeed I would argue there is currently no such thing as far right. What there is is a lot of discounted and alienated groups who feel ignored and despised who for various reasons our politicians and press call far right.
    Issues to do with race are the nearest it processes to a unifying thread, but even that isn't universal.

    ReplyDelete
  2. All through the nineteenth century and up until some time in the middle of the twentieth century, party politics in the European democracies, including Britain, focused primarily on the economics of capital v. labour. Then, gradually, sooner in some countries and a few years later in others, voters on the Left began to realise that private enterprise helped to bring about widespread prosperity while, conversely, state ownership of the means of production tended to keep the working class poor.

    In due course that realisation came to be shared by two Communist leaders, first Deng Xiaoping in China and then Mikhail Gorbachev in the USSR. The consequence was a major shakeup of world politics, leading to the post-Cold War “peace dividend” in the 1990s.

    In the meantime, the Left had lost its faith in the supposedy inevitable triumph of socialism over capitalism, and was looking for a new ideology and a new set of ideals. Various causes emerged, among which the most prominent, at first, were feminism, which in its new form had begun in France in 1949 with Simone de Beauvoir’s book The Second Sex, and anti-racism, which had also begun in France and at pretty much the same time, with Frantz Fanon’s book Black Skin, White Masks, published in 1952.

    ReplyDelete
  3. In a rush, so just a quick thought. During Jack's absence, I thought I'd check out Twitter. It's absolutely poisonous, but the source of the worst poison is the "educated" middle-class left. The outright, unapologetic hatred these people have for the poor of their own country is staggering. It's simply beyond belief. "The Rest Is History" podcast on Spotify has recently done an eight part series on the French Revolution. It wasn't inspired by the riots, but I found it shocking how similar the mindsets and the demographics involved were. It's long, but I can't recommend it enough.

    ReplyDelete
  4. Laziness amongst politicians and the need for a snappy word to get in the headlines pushes them to use an undefined, undefinable phrase as the enemy.
    I was impressed by the unHerd article. Even that article had to find finite categories to describe an ungranulated spectrum of motives across all those who gathered and rioted. From a Hobbesian perspective, declared or assumed motives are not to be relied on to explain individuals claiming for one night a natural liberty that exists outside society.
    The phrase "right-wing" is certainly wrong, lazy and should be spoken against. It is a favourite of the BBC, and I am told that they have never replied to a challenge made to define it:
    https://www.thomashobbes.co.uk/outside-the-bubble/open-letter-to-the-bbc/

    ReplyDelete
  5. I can't help but believe that contrary to the pleading of many, we do indeed have a two tier prosecution system. It seems to me that those who are 'far right, if involved in a demonstration are more likely to be arrested, more likely to be found guilty, more likely to be jailed and more likely to be treated unsympathetically.

    I also do wonder considering his professional background, how many of the judges feel they are helping out an old mate, who is widely seen as slow in addressing the issue of the riots.

    I maybe wrong, but then again, I might be right🤔🤔

    ReplyDelete
  6. They've arrested the Solingen killer. He is a Syrian refugee who has been in Germany for nearly two years. Reuters, understandably, is raising the question of the impact on the upcoming elections in three Länder where AfD is expected to do well.
    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/german-stabbing-suspect-is-26-year-old-man-who-admitted-crime-police-say-2024-08-25/

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. I find it interesting that this happened at a so-called "diversity" festival. The very people who protest against "the far right" with placards reading "refugees welcome." Is it a sin to be wilfully and knowingly stupid?

      Delete
    2. “Diversity” means different things to different people. To some people it means taking steps to ensure that daughters shall not enjoy the same rights as sons. To others it means pretending to be too stupid to have noticed that there is an observable difference between men and women.
      https://www.fedcourt.gov.au/services/access-to-files-and-transcripts/online-files/roxanne-tickle-v-giggle-for-girls

      Delete
    3. Just up earlier today on the Spectator website: The Islamists want to silence music the way they have free speech by Gavin Mortimer. I'm not a subscriber and I can't read the whole article but it's a good read anyway, down to where it says, "Islamic extremists consider listening to music a sin"
      https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-islamists-want-to-silence-music-the-way-they-have-free-speech/

      Delete
    4. @Bell,
      Syncronicity?!? I have also just discovered "The Rest Is History" podcasts about the French Revolution, and they are indeed brilliant (though yer actual French person might not feel quite so charmed).

      Delete
  7. “We know that music is hateful and intolerable to devils. I really believe, and am not ashamed to assert, that next to theology there is no art equal to music, for it is the only one, except theology, which can give a quiet and happy mind, a manifest proof that the devil, the author of racking care and perturbation, flees from the sound of music as he does from the exhortation of religion.”

    Martin Luther, 1530

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Doesn't it really depend on the type music? Sacred, uplifting music devoted to God, certainly. There's also forms of "music" that can have the opposite outcome.

      Delete
    2. @Jack, I suspect you're being too subtle for Luther. He tended to see things in black and white.

      Delete
    3. Luther was fortunate not to have experienced the products of the Second Viennese School let alone the kind of thumping ‘music’ one hears emanating from passing cars, which appear to offer a foretaste of life in the infernal regions.
      By way of contrast HJ will, I trust, forgive me for seizing this opportunity to renew my advocacy of the late Patricia Janečková (1998-2023), a Slovak Catholic singer, who elicits extraordinary devotion from her many followers, one of whom commented: ‘The world into which Patricia invites us is that of the creator God, a world of purity, of light, of infinite sweetness. It is the world of celestial perfection glimpsed on earth. Let us give thanks to God for having sent us his angel to bear witness to the infinite benefits of the world to come.’ Here’s the 19-year old Patricia singing Mozart’s Laudate Dominum: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljvTwbxrylc&list=PLRkXgEtCqIyXdRs4pixfReBb0Xosd4bIK&index=83

      Delete
    4. HJ most certainly forgives you!

      What a beautiful voice this young woman has and may she be singing before the throne of God as I write this. Thank you for posting the link.

      Praise the Lord, all ye nations
      praise him, all ye peoples.
      For His loving mercy
      has been bestowed upon us
      and the Truth of the Lord endures for eternity

      Delete
    5. The quote was in the context of Слон в комнате.

      Here is an interesting video: Learning to Like Contemporary Christian Music (the music I hate), by Adam Neely, length 13 minutes. It suggests that there are two sides to Luther’s donkey, either arguing that any attempt at musical proficiency takes away from worship, or going for an all-out musical performance.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hACUz4WVWwk

      Either way, it can come out as (according to a favourite phrase of my father) “The tune that the old cow died of.”


      Delete
    6. Surely striving for excellency in art, especially art dedicated to God, is a good thing. However, focussing on "performance" to achieve human acclamation, rather than worshipping God, is a temptation to be resisted. But, yes, if that's the "elephant in the room." he's correct.

      The rest of his quote:
      "That is why the Scriptures are full of psalms and hymns, in which praise is given to God. That is why, when we gather round God’s throne in heaven, we shall sing His glory. Music is the perfect way to express our love and devotion to God. It is one of the most magnificent and delightful presents God has given us."

      As Paul writes: "Let the message of Christ dwell among you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom through psalms, hymns, and songs from the Spirit, singing to God with gratitude in your hearts."

      I also have never believed all rock music is the "devil’s music" and enjoy much contemporary Christian music.

      Delete
    7. I’m not sure what counts as “contemporary Christian music” but one piece I find unforgettable is Patrick Doyle’s setting of Psalm 115 (Non nobis, Domine) sung on the soundtrack of Kenneth Branagh’s Henry V, at the end of fhe battle of Agincourt.

      Delete
    8. Maalaistollo,
      That is very fine indeed from Patricia Janečková... thank you for introducing me to her... what a terribly young age to be taken from us!

      Delete
    9. Thank you Gadjo. I’m always very happy to introduce Patricia, who deserves to be better known. Her performances are to be found almost exclusively on YouTube. Bucfan has helpfully arranged many of them in chronological order, so that you can trace the course of her life from child prodigy to her final recordings: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRkXgEtCqIyXdRs4pixfReBb0Xosd4bIK

      There is a touching tribute to her, prepared on the day of her funeral, which provides a concise (14 minute) conspectus of her career and its sad end: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icBJoBkvg70&list=PLRkXgEtCqIyXdRs4pixfReBb0Xosd4bIK&index=155

      Although she performed excellently in a wide variety of genres, I particularly treasure her collaborations with Collegium Marianum in their concerts of sacred music of the eighteenth century.

      For the obsessives, a self-confessed ‘desolate acolyte’ has put together a complete chronology of every performance she ever gave, with links to such videos as are available and also to a number of illuminating interviews and reviews. This can be found at: https://patriciajaneckova.net/

      Delete
  8. "Anonymous" here is Gadjo Dilo. Hope you are all well.

    ReplyDelete
  9. I have no difficulty with the principle that God is more honoured by someone singing third rate music to him with sincerity, than by someone singing first rate music as a performance, but I still find it impossible to participate in contemporary worship songs with any feeling other than regret that nothing better is being offered.

    Also I find many worship songs very difficult to sing. I remember attending a service at a church where such songs were all that was on the musical menu. When I looked around, only a minority of the congregation were actually singing.

    There is much to be said for the plain, robust, but memorable hymn tunes of the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, which were intended to be sung by those with no musical training (and maybe not much musical ability). For example, you can’t go wrong with Michael Praetorius.

    The dumbing down of church music has been going on for so long that, in this country at least, it seems to have passed the point of no return. Some 20 years ago I attended a Baptist church where the newly-appointed pastor was asked at a church meeting whether we could have some traditional hymns. He said that he was certainly willing to learn some – it turned out that he knew hardly any. About 10 years ago an Anglican director of ordinands told me of their discovery at an ordination conference that fewer than half of the ordinands knew the hymn ‘Glorious things of thee are spoken.’ Look on YouTube for particular ‘traditional’ hymns and you are most likely to find them sung by African congregations (who also still use the Book of Common Prayer).

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Good points, well made, Maalaistollo.

      I too prefer the more traditional hymns that one can put one's heart and soul into without being concerned about complexity of delivery!. There is a good selection of traditional and more modern Catholic hymns on Youtube.

      Delete
    2. Maalaistollo,
      Right. When I joined my first Baptist church in the UK a quarter of a century ago, for my inauguration I chose the (rather clunky but to-the-point) hymn What A Friend We Have In Jesus (1855), which was still just about in the song book, but I never heard its like again while I was there.

      Here in the Romanian Baptist church we have a splendid tradition of translating and singing timeless songs from that era.... in the villages; the old folk would now have to get lucky in a church in the cities. I'll sing almost anything, but there's a reason why some songs have been sung for centuries...
      Gadjo Dilo

      Delete
    3. Over 25 years ago I attended a service at a congregational (evangelical Lutheran) church in Bulgaria, where the hymn-tunes were all familiar nineteenth-century ones. My wife, who has been there more recently, tells me that the infection of 'worship songs' has now reached them. I have a couple of boxes of Hymns Ancient and Modern, which I rescued when my local parish church decided to throw them out in favour of a book in which the words of such old hymns as survived had been doctored for modish reasons. Not sure when they are likely to be used again.

      Delete
    4. I can well believe that Bulgarian Baptist churches are on a similar trajectory. I generally try to talk to the old folk, who will know a shed load of e.g. Fanny J. Crosby songs that one can sing with them (albeit in somewhat different languages).

      Delete
  10. Notorious far-right thug becomes Roman Catholic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dROCOCt4nU

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. All the best people are joining, these days. Despite the most strenuous efforts of our bishops to destroy the Church. It's almost like there's some divine force protecting Her...

      Delete
    2. Oh, Eva Vl....... Dutch Milk Lady Person, I'll be very interested to hear her give her testimony.

      Delete
    3. Once saw a comment about her: 'Hard to pronounce; easy to look at.'

      Delete
  11. Was she ever a "thug"?
    Here's an interview she gave to the American Catholic National Register.

    It's interesting she grew up:"listening to the most wonderful Catholic music on a daily basis."

    Always a believer in Christ, she describes her faith journey (sorry, Clive). In particular, the impact of Peter Kreeft’s talks on Youtube - notably:7 Reasons Why Everyone Should Be Catholic

    The final step? It was belief that the whole Christ is truly present in the Eucharist - body, blood, soul, and divinity, under the appearance of bread and wine ("Transubstantiation" or, in Orthodox terms, "transmuted, transubstantiated and transformed into the true Body itself of the Lord"). She says: "When you look at Scripture, at what Jesus Himself said, he’s crystal clear. It’s not symbolic at all. And even though I can’t rationalize it, I believe it; because if Christ said it is so, it is so. So then there is no other choice but to become a Catholic."

    ReplyDelete
  12. If she's not a Marxist, she's far right. If she's far right, she's a thug. Just ask Keir Starmer.

    ReplyDelete

Post a Comment

Popular posts from this blog

The Shroud of Turin - The Icon of Icons.

Open Thread - Contemporary Christian Songs